Question: What is your process for creating a poem?

Edward Hirsch: I think it’s changed over time. I mean, when I was young I could write
all through the night and I loved to work late into the night. Now that I’m older, I work
really well in the early morning when your synapses are firing a little better. But I work
at different times of the day. I don’t have a set schedule to work on poetry at any given
time, at the same time every day, but I do try to work on poetry every day and I do find
some time every day that I can with some exceptions to work on poetry. But, the best
times I have found, in my life, are late at night or early in the morning and I think it’s
because you’re outside the social realm. You're alone with yourself and your own
feelings and that gives you deeper access to what you need to get in touch with to write
poetry.

Now, the process of writing poetry is very messy. Not systematic, never quite the same.
Sometimes I have a feeling that I just can’t get rid of. Sometimes there’s an experience
that I want to write about that I have to get off my chest. Sometimes there are some
words that appeal to you.

Often you’ve read another poem that you think is so beautiful that you’d like to make
something like that and so you try to make a sonnet that works in a certain kind of way,
or you try to make something that’s songlike, or you create a refrain, or you love the way
a poem works in two line stanzas and you try to do that. And what I’ve found over time
is that for me to write a poem that I think is worthy that I can live with, two things have
to happen. One, something emotional has to be at stake. There has to be something
important for me that I’m writing about. And then two, I have to have a formal idea.
Something has to be worked out in poetry. Now, that can be a traditional form or it can
be something you're inventing. It can be the development of a metaphor, the working
through of a metaphor. But, something has to be worked through formally as well as
emotionally. Now, when those two things come together I’ve got something, I think, that
I can be proud of.

Question: When do you think about the titles of poems?

Edward Hirsch: Sometimes the title comes to you at the beginning, sometimes it comes
at the end. The very best way in my experience is when it comes in the middle. That you
write a phrase or you think of something and it seems to have a deeper charge because
the title has to be some kind of marker, something setting out a space, creating a space for
what's going to come.

In my experience, the best titles, for me, emerge in the process of writing. They don’t
usually come at the very beginning and hopefully they don’t come at the very end
because then it’s getting late in the day.

Now, sometimes I change the title. I was surprised recently to find a book called “Poetry
in Persons” that’s coming out about visit to poets to a class that Pearl London gave. And
when my second book had come out, “Wild Gratitude,” I went to Pearl London’s class
and she worked through different drafts of poems and there were the drafts of my poem,
Wild Gratitude, and I saw that I had begun the poem with the title August 13th and it was
the title August 13th for most of the way and then near the end, sometime in the process,
I got the idea that maybe that would be a somewhat bland title and I got the idea for Wild
Gratitude, which I’m very proud of as a title. So, I think it works best when you find it in
the process.

Question: Does it take a certain wealth of experience to write a poem, or is it more effort
and practice?

Edward Hirsch: There are things that poets in the history of poetry hit upon when they're
very young that can never be outdone and it’s a remarkable, strange experience when you
think of say Arthur Rimbaud who write poetry between the ages of 17 and 21 whose
career was over by the time he was 22 or John Keats who notoriously died in his 20’s and
yet had packed a wealth of experience into his poems before then.

I think there’s a poetry -- the Scholars of the Hebrew bible define something they call
wisdom literature and I would say clearly the poetry of wisdom is something that comes
with age or that might come with age which has to do with reflecting on experience.
There is a certain kind of poetry that looks back at experience from an older perspective.
It’s hard to think that say Shakespeare could have written “The Tempest” when he was
young. It seems to be reflective work or retrospective work.

At the same time, there's the brilliant audacity of youth that poets strike upon in their
earliest work sometimes that they never can hit upon again. And sometimes you look at
the first poems by someone and you go, “They have freshness and a sense of wonder that
is never recaptured again by that poet.”

So, I think there are different kinds of poetry for different stages of life and there's the
wild exuberance of youth, there's the painful agony of midlife experience, there's the late
poetry in the presence of death and I think what you hope for is that at different times of
your life you’re able to write the poetry that reflects the moment that you’re in on your
own journey.

Question: What is your revision process like?

Edward Hirsch: I was once doing a question and answer period with the novelist, Jane
Smiley in a bookstore and someone asked us what our processes were and Jane said hers
and then I said mine and Jane said, “Well, if I had a student like that, I’d force him never
to write like that again because you could never write a novel in the way that you write
poetry,” which is: I wish I wrote drafts and then revised them, but I don’t. What I do is I
seem to revise as I go.

And so I write a line and then I revise the line and then I write two lines and then I revise
lines one and two and then I write one, two and three and I revise one and two and then I
write seven and eight and then I see that should be line four and I continually work it over
as I go. So, it’s a continual process of trial and error and then I find things and then I
throw it out and start again, but I keep writing it over again.

So, the result though is by the time I’ve got something, it’s been worked over so many
times that although I do make changes at the end, often by the time I’ve gotten it, it’s
pretty much completed. Now, that can take two days, it can take three weeks, it can take
four months depending on how the process is going. Now, as I’ve gotten older I’ve been
able to write more quickly. Sometimes I get in the space of something and I can do a lot
in a day.

The mysterious thing about writing poetry is that when you're -- when things are going
poorly, when you're not thinking well, even making two sentences together is extremely
hard and I just can’t make the connections. And when I’m writing well and when I’m
inside the feeling, then I can do fairly complicated things with some fluency.

So some of the most difficult formal poems that I’ve written, say one sentence sonnets,
I’ve been able to do those fairly quickly whereas some of the clearest, simplest lyrics that
I’ve written have taken me the longest to get to the clarity of feeling that you're looking
for.

So, the process of revision, it’s not systematic. But for me, I mean, I know a lot of poets
who write out a draft and then revise it and I think they're happier people. But, I’m just
not able to do it that way. I need to just continually examine it as I do it.